I think that is part of the issue. I imagine that Rob doesn't understand that no one really worries much about the "Jesus" or "God" he tries to market. So far he seems to be selling little more than the playground bully, a critter we have all met personally and have learned is nothing more than bluff and bravado.

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How pierceful grows the hazy yon! How myrtle petaled thou! For spring hath sprung the cyclotron - How high browse thou, brown cow? -- Churchy LaFemme, 1950

I am not trying to change the story to make it more palitable. If I did, the truth would be lost in translation.

It has never sold here... This venue is a microcosm of 'the world' and it's wisdom that he preached against. That is why they crucified Him.

Matthew 26:The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God." 64 "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?" "He is worthy of death," they answered.

I suppose you do not know that the 'clouds of heaven' symbolize judgement and the fire that descended on the mountain? The people trembled in absolute fear Him, and only Moses faced Him. And even Moses could not look at Him directly. he appeared in various manifestations, but full force? God put Moses in the cleft of a rock, covered Moses with His hand, and only then passed by, lest Moses die.

You like the lamb part of the story but forget the lion. He created the Universe Ringo. What would you say that meant anything to the president of the United States, nay... your senator? or the equivilant in Canukistan? You are a pauper to them and their responsibilities.

How then, would you stand confidently before the creator of heaven and earth? To express the gravity and reality, (the heaven and the hell) that the concepts unveil, one needs the Bible to express the sheer magnitude of the matter.

Your rejection of the message means nothing. It has always been so, and so right back at you. You always give the same line also... 'no'.

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Bambi grew up to have horns

Say something new jar.... say something new.

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The story is very palatable. It's just that you don't know what the real story is. That's why I keep asking you to come to Theology 101 to learn what it is.


Once again, I don't reject "the" message, I reject your message. It's rather telling that you refuse to discuss the difference.

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I am quite fammilliar with all of the variations of the 'Truth' (how do you do that little 'tm' thingy agai?). But I am glad you have the 'real story' Ringo. The TM answer. Good for you. You have the very thing you say means you have nothing.

( http://www.worldwideword.net/dreamcatch ... 8966#p8966 )

Proverbs 26:27 If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it; if a man rolls a stone, it will roll back on him.

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No you're not. You're familiar with how your handlers see the other variations.


You're not paying attention. I specifically did not say that I had the TM answer. If I had meant TM, I would have said TM.

I'm talking about the real story as presented in the Bible. I'm not even saying that the Bible story has it right. I'm saying that you don't even have the Bible story right.

If I start a topic in the theology section, will you participate?

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What we really need to do is fix the public.
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I will try.

It is likely that the real GOD will forgive you even though you have worshiped a false god.

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How pierceful grows the hazy yon! How myrtle petaled thou! For spring hath sprung the cyclotron - How high browse thou, brown cow? -- Churchy LaFemme, 1950

Ringo, you and I have had hundreds of exchanges over the years. It has often even been fun. Everyone of them (including this one) is about theology because whatever we think we know or don't know about ultimate reality in whatever or whoever form, effects the implications that are drawn from there. This is the foundation and the rock that moves all other pillars. This is the anchor by which all questions are justified.

Your continued attempt to coerce by fear; this ridiculous manipulative game of tempting and inditing by way of the complex question is childish even by your standards. That is what happens when you worship at the alter of 'what' jar has taught you (not to be confused with thanking or worshipping jar).

Try your magic spells on someone else for a while. Find a new rat for your experimentation and bait for the time being. We have been discussing theology, and we have always been discussing theology. I have no fear of you and your questions. I have spent at least as much time discussing 'all things' with you, as anyone else.

If you want to start a theology topic good for you. It won't be about theology, but science. You can't seperate the two, they are one. Whether I participate or not means nothing about me or you. But your taunt tells volumes about you and your methods.

I think you've done a fine job here... of showing just how vacuous and empty your real story (that isn't the real story) is. The mystery of Babylon has always appealed to a certain crowd. I am quite certain they will support and agree with you. I cannot help that.

As it stands now, I have been spending a great deal time here here in the last week or so. And my family is suffereing for that. I will be taking a breather because that is my first priority.

I am now off to a 5 year olds birthday party...

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See, there's another example of trotting out an old cliche without making the slightest effort to think about it. Of course you can know what isn't without knowing what is. I know the population of China isn't five even if I don't know what it is.

That's what science does. It determines what isn't.


Since your premise is false, yes I can. If you think you know that the population of China is five, I can say you don't know.


What we know isn't as important as what we're willing to learn.


And, as I've said before, to me you're not beyond redemption. The lost can be found, unless they're hiding. The Good Shepherd is looking for His lost sheep. The Father is looking for His prodigal son. They're not "utterly lost". They're temporarily misplaced.


Ahh.. almost approaching the topic. But you're the one who insists that the ship and the island are immaterial. You're the one who insists that we can never find them. I'm the one who's trying to figure out how they work.


My "method" is to ask you to discuss a topic in the proper forum. How underhanded of me.

Why do you think we have separate forums? It isn't because everything is neatly compartmentalized. It's to focus the topic. If you insist that theology = science (which is patently false), why can't you do it over there?


You're jumping the gun there. I've told you next to nothing about what "the real story" is because - guess what - it's off topic here. But even with next to no information on what I think, you've judged me wrong.

And now you run away.

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What we really need to do is fix the public.
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I will!

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